It was a great honour to be a guest alongside Angharad Wynne-Jones for the Audio Stage podcast by Jana Perković and Fleur Kilpatrick with Kieran Ruffles.

Our discussion spanned the creative, professional and civic aspects of cultural leadership with a focus on responsibility and what this means to us both. Our discussion was deeply honest, critical, and – on listening back – expansive and ambitious for what we each hope to make possible across all our working contexts.

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